Did Jesus come 500 years ago?

 https://www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Bible-chronology-charts-age-of-earth-date-Genesis-5-11-Septuagint-text-LXX-original-autograph-corrupted-Masoretic-MT-primeval-5554BC.htm

There is no denying timelines have been changed.  How do we know which is correct?  None of them are.

2023 is 7576 AM according to Septuagint

2023 is 5783 AM according to Masoretic 

This is 1793 years difference (or 1732 according to wiki)


I want to show that the actual year Am should be 6023 meaning Jesus is 23 years 'late' for the 'rapture' (if he is supposed to come on the seventh 1000 years.)


1000 years could have been added called the dark ages.  Jesus could have come around 5500 AM.  After this time was written 'in the year of our lord: 600 or: j600 or: i600 or I600 (instead of 5600 as an example.)  

This then became 1600 thereby adding 1500 years when BC and AD were implemented.  This would make the present year 7523 AM.  

When BC and AD were added the year Jesus was born was around the year 0.  So that means i600 is now 100 AD AND 1600 AD.  History got rewritten around this time so events happening this year of i600 could also be written as AD 100.  And as history continued to be rewritten people who lived only a generation apart could now be 1500 apart or even the same person could in history be recorded as two separate people to fill in gaps.  

That still leaves 293 (or 232) years to explain.

We now have two years that are called 5500 due to the alterations in the Masoretic text.   

Lets take the current Jewish year 5783 and take it back to their year 5500.  This was 283 years ago.

Now take the partially corrected Septuagint year 6076 (take away the 1500 that was added) Take this back to the year 5500.  This was 576 yeas ago.

Now find the discrepancy between these two years which now have the same date.  576 take away 283 equals 293.  Or 232, but either way if these two AM dates interchanged this would cause a 232/293 year rift in dates.

1000 plus 500 plus 293 years equals the time that was taken out of the Masoretic text (1793) and it also equals the time that could have been added to our history between timelines making the actual year the year 6076 or 6023 or 5783 since creation (AM)     

Here is the funny thing: Since just as much time was added that was taken away any attempts at covering up the second return have been foiled.  Just ask google how old the earth is: about 6000 years old :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Mundi


What we know: There is 1793 years between Sept and Mass 

Mass AM had their 5500 in the year 1750

The link on the top of this post says age of the earth is 5554 BC. If you add 2023 you get 7577. (Or 7576 if year 0 is a technicality.)  

The Massoretic text  "began around the 6th century AD and completed in the 10th by scholars at Talmudic academies in Babylonia and Palestine"

 https://www.britannica.com/topic/Masoretic-text

1526 first NT in English

https://www.tcseagles.org/faculty/nchilds/editoruploads/files/Timeline_of_Bible_Translation_History.pdf

As far as the year 5554 - Jesus could have died at this date, but it must have something to do with Jesus/ Yehoshua.  This must be year 0.  

BC/AD was invented 525 but implemented 9th century...


Here is what I need help with:

There are 240 years between 1701 and 5461 if 1701 is really 5701.  So what is the connection?  (I had it once but all my stuff got deleted.)  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Mundi#/media/File:Bevis_Marks_Synagogue_P6110036.JPG

The following is me brainstorming to plead with HaShem to remember what I forgot (or he give me even better) or it may spark something with you so you can help me tie this in with how we got our present date.  The assumption is Jesus came 5500ish and is expected to return 6000 ish.  There was the belief that he would return 500 years after his first coming.  

What if Jesus' number is 555 and the AC number is 666.  That means he was expected to arrive 1111 years later (to also be within 6000.)  So, say 5666 became 1666.  So 2023 is really 6023.  Unless - 555 was also written as 0.  Then 666 would also be 111.  That means 555 years got subtracted.  So you add 555 to 6023 = 6578.  

(What I actually need help with here is: why 1793 years?  Assuming people would have known when the second return would be and they changed the years so people would not know: why this amount of time?  Or is it random?)  

Dionysius proposed: 'anno domini nostri Jesu Christi' (in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ'). This would mean that the date he was writing, Anno Diocletiani 248, would become Anno Domini 532 with his new calculations.

 "the year in which Dionysius's Easter tables would take effect would be called 1285, and by the later, 248"

https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/historians-european-biographies/dionysius-exiguus

Did he compete his work 731? or 532? or 248?

It is not known how Dionysius established the year of Jesus's birth. Two major theories are that Dionysius based his calculation on the Gospel of Luke, which states that Jesus was "about thirty years old" shortly after "the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar", and hence subtracted thirty years from that date, or that Dionysius counted back 532 years from the first year of his new table.[12][13][14] It has also been speculated by Georges Declercq[15] that Dionysius' desire to replace Diocletian years with a calendar based on the incarnation of Christ was intended to prevent people from believing the imminent end of the world. At the time, it was believed by some that the resurrection of the dead and end of the world would occur 500 years after the birth of Jesus. The old Anno Mundi calendar theoretically commenced with the creation of the world based on information in the Old Testament. It was believed that, based on the Anno Mundi calendar, Jesus was born in the year 5500 (5500 years after the world was created) with the year 6000 of the Anno Mundi calendar marking the end of the world.[16][17] Anno Mundi 6000 (approximately AD 500) was thus equated with the end of the world[18] but this date had already passed in the time of Dionysius. The "Historia Brittonum" attributed to Nennius written in the 9th century makes extensive use of the Anno Passionis (AP) dating system which was in common use as well as the newer AD dating system. The AP dating system took its start from 'The Year of The Passion'. It is generally accepted by experts there is a 27-year difference between AP and AD reference.

what if his year was 248 not 532 meaning 252 years later messiah would return.  

In the first section of AM wiki it says there is a 1732 year difference (not 1793) meaning we are looking for a 232 year diff.

If the wiki number is correct then the diff between 293 and 232 is 61 meaning we need to subtract that from 5554 to get the new year of birth to be 5493 meaning he died in 5527.  

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05010b.htm

 which he assigned to 25 March, in the year 754 from the foundation of Rome (A. U. C.). By this method of computation he intended to supersede the "Era of Diocletian" previously employed, being unwilling, as he tells us, that the name of an impious persecutor should be thus kept in memory. The Era of the Incarnation, often called the Dionysian Era, was soon much used in Italy and, to some extent, a little later in Spain; during the eighth and ninth centuries it was adopted in EnglandCharlemagne is said to have been the first Christian ruler to employ it officially.

The traditional date for the founding of Rome is April 21st, 753 BC.


 532 is supposed to be the years Dionysius counted back and 754 is supposed to be the year since the founding of Rome.  You would think you need to add these two together to get the year by Rome he was in: 1285.  But this also matches a number:

 "the year in which Dionysius's Easter tables would take effect would be called 1285, and by the later, 248"

so by Rome's founding time it was the year 1285 but maybe since Messiah's founding it was 248.  Say Messiah was born 5493.  That could mean in 5741 this change was implemented.  But during this time the year would be written: i532 instead of i248.  This could make people think the time of the rapture was already past. this could have become 1532 / 5532.  so 1782 was the Mass Jewish year of 5532.  take away 248 from this: their year of 5284 could have been the sept year of 5493.  Nah, that is a 209 year diff.  I still need help making the connection with our current AD.  

If it really was the year 754 since the founding of rome, but since they said Messiah came 532 years ago then their new date would need to be 1285.  But this means they are making their new calendar actually replace the first 5554 or 5493 (depending on Sept dates of year 0) that current year (but saying the year 0 happened 532 years prior since the founding of rome is 754 BC.  the roman year then is 1285 and the world year is 532 but the years since Messiah could have been 285/6 years ago.  they could have been writing i285.  So if Rome was founded 754 years prior then they would need to make the new 1285 be actually after the founding of Rome by changing the dates adding 532.    

So in 1785 being 1285 being 285 since Messiah being 754 since Rome and thus also 754 AD now some confusion needed to be cleared up.

so they needed to make the date be 6032 to make it past the return date also assuming Jesus had been born 32 years prior.  The date i285 could have been in use as in years since Messiah counting up to 500 for his return.  so to turn this date into 1285 since rome they just needed to add 532 to Rome's current date of 754.  

at this date 215 years later messiah was expected to return: 1500 or 2000 if another date in use was: i785/ 5785 as in 215 years later would be 6000 and Messiah came in 5500.

or - 1785 could have been 248 since messiah.  (Since Dio claimed 248.  We got the 285 from 1285 since Rome.)  That would make the year 1285/1785 be 5741 or 5802 (with 248 added to 5493 or 5554.) 

the diff between these two numbers is 37 which would include jesus' full 7 year ministry.  this year was when people dispersed from Jerusalem and could be the year Dio was referring to as incarnation as in his 'second and soon return to dwell in his people.' 

so it is 1285 Rome time but gets called 532 since messiah.  this could be our year 532 or 1532.  But we want to assume this event happened 252 or 215 years ago close to our time meaning we should be around the year 6000.  (Assuming Messiah came around 5493 or 5554.)  If it was 1785 then it was 215 years ago in 2000.  

If the current year was 6023 then the diff with the current Jewish year is 240.  This is at least within the range of the 293 vs 232 of difference between the two Sept numbers of 1793 and 1732.

Solomon was about 20 when he took the throne.  So, just say Yehoshua was born 5500 but wasn't seen until 5530.  This was the priestly age.  The age of the king could be 6024 for example.  

Basically 1793/32 years were taken away from the age of the earth and about this much could have been added as well.  So while there are a lot of claims that the rapture has passed (so we should stop watching and loose hope) there also remain to be those who expect him any day to appear and this is around the year 6000.  


If Jesus came 5500 this would be midday on the 6th day as in the darkest hour (midnight.)  If he returns 6000 (in that lifetime) then he returns at the brightest part of the day (assuming day starts when darkness begins to enter at 12:01 afternoon)  

Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe (who accept him before the light is fully revealed.)










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